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Gia Lyons JiveEmployees 67 posts since
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Jul 16, 2008 12:54 PM

Do reputation points help or hurt?

I have customers who take a look at the reputation points available in the solution I sell, and say, "that will never work here." I know they work well in external communities, but do they work inside the firewall? If so, what attributes of your culture make it successful?

John Summers   17 posts since
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Jul 16, 2008 1:28 PM in response to: Gia Lyons
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

I my years of community experience, the point systems do work and some uses will go above and beyond to get the points. AT few of my gaming communities I have worked at, the point system was a game in it self.

 

 

 

As far as internal community I don't see why they will not work, people will always have Ego.  I always ask people what is the first thing you looked at when you went to the community? Most of the time the response is the top members.

 

 

 

Is that a special rank you got there. or will we all get the medals. I have been thinking of creating a status level based on groups not points and assigning that to my community leaders to give them some distinguishing mark.

Scott Gentzen   3 posts since
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Aug 8, 2008 2:08 PM in response to: Gia Lyons
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

I had to doublecheck on the medal icon the first time I saw it here.

 

My first thought was it was a reputation kind of marker.  The Citrix forums use icons like that for their reputation system.  Actually it's cool how it works...

 

When you ask a question in the forum, you assign the question a difficulty level.  The more difficult it is, the more points it's worth.  If someone answers the question completely, you mark it answered and give them the points.  If it's more of a collaborative answer, you distribute the points among the people that helped.

 

Participants get certain icons next to their name depending on how many points they have from answering open issues.

Brett Bernstein   1 posts since
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Aug 19, 2008 2:46 PM in response to: Scott Gentzen
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Apple (another Jive customer ) uses a scale where you earn a certain number of points for an answer that is considered 'helpful' by the originator.  You can get a greater amount of points if you answer 'solves' the question.   The combination of the points earned (qualitative measure) and the total nubmer of posts (a bit of an old school quantitative measure) gives me a better feeling when I'm judging if I should follow the advice or not. 

 

At a base level, its a way to get people to engage.  And if that helps participation for the target audience, then great.  If the converse is true (e.g. people just aren't into it), then turn it off.

 

The key is having a sense of how your target audience will react to it.

ginam   5 posts since
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Oct 22, 2008 3:39 PM in response to: Gia Lyons
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Interesting, I thought the medal meant you were a high level contributor or was related to the ratings of your contributions... i've only been playing on the site for a hour though... but just my first impression.

Roberto Monge   14 posts since
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Jul 17, 2008 6:49 PM in response to: Gia Lyons
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

I definately think they help especially in finding the experts or long time contributors.  I think internally you'd want change some of the point giving variables like including view count and document ratings.  In both internal and external the notion of badges would be helpful in rewarding different types of people.  The single point system only rewards the top contributors because the rest usually fall off very quickly.  It would be good to show some achievement badges (or trophies) that would stay pinned to a person (like most questions answered in a week).   

Carl Smith   16 posts since
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Jul 21, 2008 12:13 PM in response to: Gia Lyons
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

We are just getting started, but we certainly have high hopes for Reputation Points. For our operations-centric use case, understanding who can contribute a quality solution to a customer problem is always a challenge. With Clearspace, we hope to expand the sphere of influence of our best employees by providing them with a global platform from which to practice.

 

Our initial challange was developing the taxonomy for RP. What are the best practices for enterprise communities on: How many points do you reward for each activity? What are the point ranges that define the levels? What is the name of each level? etc.

 

Didn't find a lot of useful guidance via web search. Gia do you have any?

John Summers   17 posts since
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Jul 21, 2008 12:23 PM in response to: Carl Smith
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

There are many ways to structure your points and names. You can relate your names to you products or user general terms like pro guru....We are currently renaming all of our rank systems as we went kinda of generic for the first launch. The point system I have set up many diffrent ways over the years. When I first launch the community I like to make the points a little bit higher to give my early adopters a little bonus for joining early. Hope this helps.

Carl Smith   16 posts since
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Jul 22, 2008 11:15 AM in response to: Gia Lyons
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Would appreciate the help. Here is our first take and what we launched with:

 

Principles we followed:

  1. Tiers should grow logarithmically, with early tiers making easier to gain status (see progress) and later tiers representing a well-earned, quality achievement.

  2. Use graphics that indicate progress and communicates that there are award levels yet to be earned. This Status Icon 1.png ; not this Status Icon 2.png

  3. Choose names that related to community and would work internationally.

Note: the most difficult name to come up with was the first, 0 - 99. Something that didn't offend, indicated that user was just getting started, but also a name that a user would want to leave behind -- no honor or dishoner in it.

Name

Point Range

Newbie

0

99

Contributor

100

199

Active Contributor

200

399

Valued Contributor

400

649

Senior Contributor

650

999

Premier Contributor

1000

1749

Master

1750

3249

Grand Master

3250

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John Summers   17 posts since
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Jul 22, 2008 3:49 PM in response to: Carl Smith
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Looks like you are on the right track for sure. I have my community set up in a similar way right now. We have been talking about possiblity of changing the names to something more on the funny side.

Derek DeMoro JiveEmployees 2 posts since
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Jul 23, 2008 5:20 PM in response to: Carl Smith
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Hi Carl,

You worked it out beautifully. My only change from an internal point of view is to allow the "Newbie" to become a "Contributor" more quickly. The almost instant "reward" pays off in that they notice their status change very quickly from the start.  Something along the lines of 0-5 is a newbie and 6 - 99 is a contributor.

 

Cheers,
Derek

Chuck Hollis   19 posts since
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Jul 28, 2008 5:06 PM in response to: Derek DeMoro
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Well, we've been using the points thing here internall since Sept '07, and -- to be honest -- I can't see that it makes a significant difference one way or another.

 

Sure, at the outset, we had a few people who were trying to rack up points, but they didn't turn into long-term contributors.

 

I mean, sure, it's nice to see someone out there with a bazillion points, but you might wonder if they ever have time for their day job.

 

And newbies seeing that sort of ranking might be put off.

 

Bottom line?  I think we could turn it off tomorrow, and no one would notice.

Carl Smith   16 posts since
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Jul 29, 2008 11:19 AM in response to: Chuck Hollis
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Appreciate the long view -- Do you think there would be a difference if the vast majority of the users were 18-22 yr. old, entry-level associates?

Chuck Hollis   19 posts since
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Jul 29, 2008 11:22 AM in response to: Carl Smith
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Perhaps the demographics might matter.

 

My target audience is "high value knowledge workers in a corporate setting", so I can't really offer up any insight there.

 

But another thought that I'm encouraging with my team is to step back, describe what you want to have happen, and look at different ways that you might get the same results, only better.

 

I'm assuming that your goal is "vibrant, enthusiastic participation".  Other mechanisms might be management recognition, small prizes, a night on the town with your significant other, and so on.

 

And, just maybe, the points thingie.

Michael Sigler JiveEmployees 8 posts since
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Jul 30, 2008 7:22 PM in response to: Chuck Hollis
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

I can pretty much guaruntee that demographics matter. Even here at Jive, I'm not sure how much points matter. On the various game-based communities I've run, points or int hose days, post count, was HUGELY important to many people.

 

"Use graphics that indicate progress and communicates that there are award levels yet to be earned. This Status Icon 1.png ; not this Status Icon 2.png"

 

I couldn't agree with you more Carl. Pretty much a requirement in my book.

Carl Smith   16 posts since
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Jul 29, 2008 11:16 AM in response to: Derek DeMoro
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Thanks for the recommendation -- we will take a look at lowering the threshold.

Ric Hayman   16 posts since
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Aug 8, 2008 12:22 AM in response to: Derek DeMoro
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

I think that's a good point - as soon as a newbie puts something in, they become a contributor, so that should be acknowledged immediately.

Tobias Kunz   1 posts since
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Jul 23, 2008 4:59 AM in response to: Gia Lyons
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

I guess this depends - for external communities your a right in my opinion - it might be a kind of incentive to gather "stars", but from internal point of view e.g. for usage within intranets it might be highly deprecated by for example workers council as it might apply e.g. for us (Lufthansa)...

Az Sanders   6 posts since
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Jul 30, 2008 7:33 PM in response to: Gia Lyons
Re: Do reputation points help or hurt?

Im somewhat suprised this has yet to come up in this discussion, such nice people it seems

theres a "flipside" to "points systems", a small unobtrusive points system for those organisations who think such would never work but have inhouse forum/none real-time communication methords can serve a good purpose for managers.

 

knowing which employee is "just there" working or is "-working- and commited"

 

post count and the "stars" system (Ala Sun's forums, also Jive based ) awarded within the teams to other members can tell project leaders/managers who are really working at the project and are commited to its growth as opposed to just "along for the ride", and give early indication of "problems", A regular contributor suddenly slopeing off -could- be having problems that they havent felt able to discuss just yet.

 

it -can- be an excellent barometer.

 

(though its important to be aware some of the introverted employee's who could be wonderful and commited may be too "nervous" to get involved on that level).